In this episode Eric interviews Drew Christopher (in his second appearance on PsychSessions) from Albion College in Albion, MI. Drew shares his genuine concerns for incoming students post-COVID in his freshman seminar course. Food, and especially donuts, becomes a recurring theme throughout this chat. After a bit of sports talk, we delve into Drew’s statistics textbook, which leads to a conversation about current conditions and the future of higher education. We discuss the future of campus space utilization, the drawbacks of a countdown timer, retirement, online courses, and Drew’s pre-conference work with SPSP. We finish our conversation by talking about grading writing, what it’s like to hand off a journal to another editor, and what’s next for Drew.